Is this country open minded enough

[doc]

to elect a palm reader as President?

[HengeKeeper]

It took me a minute to get it.

[Pita]

Think of all the money that would be saved on teleprompters!

[doc]

That is true and we'd only have to pay her for a half of a term. Those savings are starting to ad up.

[HengeKeeper]

Originally Posted by doc

to elect a palm reader as President?

Personality and ideology set aside, I don't understand how people can realy think she has what it takes to defend the country, deal with congress, foreign leaders, plus defend herself to the public and the press all at the same time. It seems the winning of the Presidency has become more important than being able to do the job. I guess many people with political aspirations don't realize that winning a popularity contest doesn't make them qualified for the job. We need leaders, not just figureheads.
Leaving congress to solve anything on it's own is stagnation at best. The problem with stagnation is that it allows other parts of the world to catch up and surpass us. We have divided ourselves and sooner or later someone is going to do the conquering. It has already happened in manufacturing and science in some areas, what's next? Big money interests are giving away the store because they don't need it anymore. America is losing it's usefulness. The only thing left is to deplete our resources to a point of closing it all down and going somewhere else. Someday it will be written that America "was the first Capitol of the world" before it's experiment with Democracy destroyed it.

[Pita]

Originally Posted by HengeKeeper

Personality and ideology set aside, I don't understand how people can realy think she has what it takes to defend the country, deal with congress, foreign leaders, plus defend herself to the public and the press all at the same time. It seems the winning of the Presidency has become more important than being able to do the job. I guess many people with political aspirations don't realize that winning a popularity contest doesn't make them qualified for the job. We need leaders, not just figureheads.

I believe the people who are supporting Palin for president are doing it for the same reason people supported Obama early on. They want change. People wanted change from Clinton and they wanted change from Bush and now they want change from Obama. What people really want, in my opinion, is a government that works the way they think it should. Problem is, different factions have different ideas on what "as it should" means.

Palin says things that resonate with a lot of people. During the campaign, Obama said things that resonated with a lot of people. Even the people with whom each resonates don't actually like everything they say. It's a matter of "who do you agree with most?"

I don't believe Palin, like Obama or any other modern president, has to "defend the country, deal with congress, foreign leaders, plus defend herself (or himself) to the public and the press all at the same time." A president has to find the right people to do those things, approve or disapprove the plans they propose and, once approved, do the personal appearances and/or make the public statements that give that person the authority to proceed. Naturally, presidents chose people who agree with their governing philosopy and goals.

Nobody knows if Palin's appointees could do any better but apparently there are those who believe she couldn't do much worse.

As far as "the downfall of America," every powerful, wealthy nation has been weakened from within allowing another nation to step into its place. Since, as I've said before, I've seen no indication human nature is going to change, it isn't hard to imagine the US will follow suit eventually.

[doc]

The easiest job in the world is to criticize the person with the hardest job in the world. That was also true during Bush and Clinton. The greatness of this country is that we get to vote em in or out every 4 years.
Speaking of that, if you look at any poll, if the election was held today between Obama and Palin, it wouldn't even be close.

[HengeKeeper]

Originally Posted by Pita

I believe the people who are supporting Palin for president are doing it for the same reason people supported Obama early on. They want change. People wanted change from Clinton and they wanted change from Bush and now they want change from Obama. What people really want, in my opinion, is a government that works the way they think it should. Problem is, different factions have different ideas on what "as it should" means.

Palin says things that resonate with a lot of people. During the campaign, Obama said things that resonated with a lot of people. Even the people with whom each resonates don't actually like everything they say. It's a matter of "who do you agree with most?"

I don't believe Palin, like Obama or any other modern president, has to "defend the country, deal with congress, foreign leaders, plus defend herself (or himself) to the public and the press all at the same time." A president has to find the right people to do those things, approve or disapprove the plans they propose and, once approved, do the personal appearances and/or make the public statements that give that person the authority to proceed. Naturally, presidents chose people who agree with their governing philosopy and goals.

Nobody knows if Palin's appointees could do any better but apparently there are those who believe she couldn't do much worse.

As far as "the downfall of America," every powerful, wealthy nation has been weakened from within allowing another nation to step into its place. Since, as I've said before, I've seen no indication human nature is going to change, it isn't hard to imagine the US will follow suit eventually.

It thinks the above mentioned tasks "defend the country, deal with congress, foreign leaders, plus defend herself (or himself) to the public and the press all at the same time.) are inter-tangled when making a political decision. The leader of the free world should be able to multi task was my point. How can a politician make a move on the world stage to protect America without considering allies, how the public will react and what obstacles the press and the other party is going to put in the way.
In many cases they have to be parents too. They have to be able to deal with more than one iron in the fire at a time. In the case of Palin, she couldn't be governor and defend herself at the same time? I hope she doesn't become the lesser of three evils and force me to vote for her someday. I'd rather kill myself!!!

[Pita]

Having read the transcript of Palin's resignation speech, I decided to take her at her word about why she resigned.

Note that's at her word, not what some pundit told me she "really meant."

I'm going to vote in 2012 based on what I know about the candidates then, not stop learning about them now because of what they did yesterday.

[doc]

Originally Posted by Pita

Having read the transcript of Palin's resignation speech, I decided to take her at her word about why she resigned.

Note that's at her word, not what some pundit told me she "really meant."

I'm going to vote in 2012 based on what I know about the candidates then, not stop learning about them now because of what they did yesterday.

That is a good way to vote. 2012 is a long way off and I expect the Republican party to sort out who may be their best person.

[HengeKeeper]

Originally Posted by Pita

Having read the transcript of Palin's resignation speech, I decided to take her at her word about why she resigned.

Note that's at her word, not what some pundit told me she "really meant."

I'm going to vote in 2012 based on what I know about the candidates then, not stop learning about them now because of what they did yesterday.

We all go through our own unique process in determining who/what we are willing to believe. It's one of the things that make use who we are as individuals. I often wait till the last minute and vote for integrity, when I can find some. Conduct during the campaign is a big factor for me.

Voting for Obama wasn't easy because I can't stand most of the Dems in Congress. Voting for Obama validates the Democrats, not something I realy wanted to do. It left a bad taste in my mouth so I might go back to voting third parties to protest "the big two and the religious right."

[doc]

I'm amazed that the Tea Party movement has been stolen by the Palin supporters from the man that started it, Ron Paul. They are even running people against him in the primary.
They are mad that he is not tuff enough on defense because he is against foreign involvement in Irag and now Iran. Palin is suggesting we attack Iran.

Worried about deficits they think they are fine as long as it is for unneeded foreign wars.

The best chance for Republicans is Ron Paul.

[HengeKeeper]

Originally Posted by doc

I'm amazed that the Tea Party movement has been stolen by the Palin supporters from the man that started it, Ron Paul. They are even running people against him in the primary.
They are mad that he is not tuff enough on defense because he is against foreign involvement in Irag and now Iran. Palin is suggesting we attack Iran.

Worried about deficits they think they are fine as long as it is for unneeded foreign wars.

The best chance for Republicans is Ron Paul.

I don't think he would have any better chance at realizing his vision for America than Obama will. Obama wanted nationalized health care and ended up with a congressional cluster fuck without national care even being on the table. How can that be called ObamaCare?

He wanted campaign finance reform and ends up with less restrictions for people(corporations) with the money to influence elections.

What could Ron Paul realy do? He would have to strap on a nuclear suicide belt and wipe out all of Washington for anything to even have a chance to change.

[Sweetstuf]

Palin is nothing more than entertainment.

When someone has to write what they stand for on their hand in order to remember it, you know there is really nothing inside

[HengeKeeper]

Originally Posted by Sweetstuf

Palin is nothing more than entertainment.

When someone has to write what they stand for on their hand in order to remember it, you know there is really nothing inside

Palin reminds me of Pat Paulson when he ran for president! Americans are entertainment junkies, so any entertaining candidate has the ear of voters, even Homer Simpson could get some votes.